Carona virus/Wuhan China/Pandemic

[MarciaA]

Parts of the country are finally getting it and closing down. Needs so much more but it’s FINALLY starting to effect some disbelievers.

A thermometer company that tract fevers show Florida is red hot right now. I’m not going out anymore. The link will show you a map of the country fevers

[MarciaA]

My daughter, an RN working ER, told me she wants to cry. She’s outside in the screening tent by Er, every patient is covid19, heart rates 130-170, temps 101-103, ER is intubating patient after patient today. Oh, one mask per day too, & grateful for that. These are mostly young people , army town. It’s spreading like wildfire and the government is doing minimal to appease the masses.
PLEASE STAY HOME! Isolate yourself

[PS Power]

I hope your daughter is all right! I agree with you. Self isolation, distancing and sanitation are our weapons for now.

Use them.

*I am hearing "soft rumors" that we have already found a second (mutated form) of the virus being covertly labeled as Covid-20. It seems to be spreading right now. I know nothing else about it. (Could be just a flu... No one has claimed it's worse yet, or anything.) That's still hard, if we have two waves overlapping.

Be safe. Protect yourself.

[David]

just curious on your thoughts about the Malaria medicine which they're saying might be a hundred percent cure. I already know they're glossing over that medicine's side effects, but a small chance of blindness is still better than a twenty percent chance of death, isn't it?

I'm just curious if this is political smoke blowing or not to calm fears, and what you may have heard that way.

[PS Power]

Issues with Chloroquine:

1. Resistance can form if misused. Early days, so this isn't a big issue for SARS-CoV-2. Not at this time.

2. Blindness and kidney damage are very possible at the doses needed. We have to ask if that risk is worse than the lung damage and sterility that will come from the virus. (Everyone forgets that the virus makes men sterile... Most likely. It possibly does the same to women. We need more evidence on that.)

3. Small sample sized for the tests so far. This is the big one. We need to weight the risks and do some large tests soon. That may not be allowed.

Over all, the data we have seen is promising, but yes, it could be hope porn. MOST things like that, promised cures, fall through, no matter how good they look at first. So, pay attention, test and keep up with everything else you need to do.

On a side note: Clearly, we need to take the risks needed, right now. Going slow and safe isn't the best course of action with some patients. On the good side, this is a known drug with known properties. If it works, it can be easily brought into play, being simple to make, compared to most things.

[David]

Thanks. That's what I figured, but Facebook and other sites are suppressing the full truth and negatives at the moment. Hope porn, I like that.

[PS Power]

A thought about the actual numbers on this viral spread:

The "guess" from researchers, doctors and Cletus from the woods is that there is a large body of "silent" cases out there, that haven't been tested, due to be mild...

This is rich person thinking.

Most people are poor. By definition.

Poor people don't go to the hospital, even at times, if they are dying. Wealthy people WILL go to the emergency room and demand testing for mild symptoms... So there is not real reason to assume that hospitals aren't seeing a fairly good cross section of cases.

The "so mild they don't know they have it, so are untested" is based on people who were tested... This is potentially valid, but is prone to errors in guesses about spread and effect of the contagion.

What does this mean in reality? Well, only that what we are seeing in resolved numbers (Or in numbers based on a 14 day time period, which would be the new cases 14 days prior, divided by the new deaths today...) might well be MUCH more accurate than we are being led to believe.

We have good reason to believe that we are not even close to counting all of the deaths from this thing. We are starting to see indications of that, with viral pneumonia numbers (for deaths and cases) sky rocketing right now, in the midst of a Pandemic that causes death by lung damage... There are other things that could be hiding this as well. (Plus a reluctance to call it a death by this without a test. This is a constant with new "flu like" diseases. We have seen it before.)

We also have a good, long term reason, to think that most people with this, even the serious cases, won't go to a hospital and won't be tested for it, if they are. (Private tests cost money that the poor won't spend. Testing doesn't help you after all. They still treat the symptoms, not the virus.)

So, we need to be on the look out for this. *I'm not saying this is a conspiracy. I'm saying that we might not have a hidden super mass of numbers that bring the death rate down. This could be wrong and is only my personal musings on the idea. Based on past behaviors, but still... Musings, not a scientific study.

[PS Power]

New data points:

1. At least at times the Sars-CoV-2 virus presents as a heart attack. That means a lot of people, including younger ones, have been dying from this without it being noticed. How many? I have no clue. *It could be up to 30% of all people with this dying in a fashion that will not be recorded. It has all the markers of a heart attack, except that there is no blockage of the arteries when people are opened up. If they are.

2. At least 14-20% of people who get sick are showing up positive again later. At this point it seems to be a new infection, even if the test claims it is Sars-CoV-2. (So a mutated virus. We knew it was coming, we just weren't certain it was already here. Now we have some evidence of that.) Of people who get this "twice", even if the first case was mild, the death rate goes way up in the second round. Possibly as high as 70%.

3. The CDC and WHO are still down playing this a lot. So are many in the government. Others are doing a better job, but clearly don't have all the facts. (Not even to the level that I do, sitting at home.)

4. Italy announced that they are lacking tests for the dead at a rate of at least 212% So, a little over two times the people dying than they thought did so of the virus. This isn't including the uptick in heart attacks. No one has accounted for those yet at all.

5. As time passes it's becoming clear that we don't really have a large "invisible, barely has the sniffles" infection going on here. People that have this ARE asymptomatic, for a time. They they get his hard. Mild cases of this are leaving people permanently crippled, with heart and lung issues. Including the very young.

6. The current resolved case numbers are at 16% death rate, for the entire world, including the bad Chinese and Iranian numbers. So the real death toll of tested/resolved cases is going to be higher than that. Yes, there are real cases that don't need hospitalization out there, but we also have to account for deaths from corona induced heart attacks now...

If the ratio of untested people is 10 times higher than tested. (It's a claim... The one most medical bodies are using right now. I think it's probably higher than that, but... What do I know, right?) and the number of dead is three times higher, then the resolved case number is approximately three times higher than the actual death toll.

Right now that would be about 5.2% or so. Except that we know that China and Iran have faked their numbers, down playing things. That would bring the numbers up to something closer to 12% or so. Either way, the people claiming this is just a bad flu... Are deluding themselves. This is already a death plague, without even going into round two, three or four...

Which are, from all indications, already making their way around the planet.

Stay at home.
Protect yourself by avoiding other people.
Wash your hands, face and environment!
Be safe and stay busy, so that you won't be tempted to go out and make others sick, or get sick yourself.

*Sure, I could be wrong. I haven't been a lot so far, but everyone you listen to on this is basically guessing at this point. keep that in mind, stay sane and remember, you lose less by taking the needed steps than you gain by ignoring them and being wrong.

[MarciaA]

A whistleblower from China said at the height of the crisis crematoriums were running 24 hours a day and he estimated 50,000 dead ......

[PS Power]

The number of urns that were bought backs that number rather well... That's not including mass graves, either.

21 million cell phone accounts have been closed. which makes sense to us. People are out of work, can't afford their coverage and all that. maybe they found a better deal... Which is western thinking. It's a much bigger deal when you learn that Chinese people aren't allowed, by law, to cancel their cell phone plan.

Only death allows them to do that...

*Or so people from inside China, or who have lived there for years, have claimed. I can't prove it, past their word on the subject.