Multiversal Characters

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Here is an updated list of which characters in the different realities are the "same" person. As the latest book [GF6] was pretty light on cross-reality interactions, there aren't many changes. I'm marked additions since I last posted the list with red.

The list has been produced using information from:
Impulse: A Whole New Day [Infected 8 - Bridget 1]
War Day [Infected 9 - Brian 3]
Shield of Innocence [Alternate Places 4 - Zack 3]
Persist [Discipline 3]
Kindred [Young Ancients 19 - Dareg 3]
Ripped Open [Infected 11 - Cin 2]
The Mask of Omegon [Gwen Farris 6]

I've primarily included information about people that are explicitly mentioned in the books as being the "same" person.

There are some cases where a match has not been explicitly confirmed in the published books, which his kinda-sorta been confirmed by Dale on the forum. In that case the particular entry is prefixed with an exclaimation mark ( ! ).

I've also added a few entries that are just guesses, they are prefixed with one or more question marks ( ? ). The more question marks, the more shakey the guess.

A few people are know to originate in realities other than the main realities of the different book series. In that case I've marked them with a star and a number, same number means the same unnamed reality.

The reality that the Infected reality interacts with, from which Hobbs, Mary, Braid, and so on originate, was often referred to as "Hobbs' World" in the Infected books, so I'll use that label instead of a numbered star.

Here, in no particular order, is the list:

[Young Ancients] Torrence "Tor" Baker
[Demonverse] Zack "The Line Walker" Hartley
[Alternate] Zack Hartley
[Infected] Brian "Proxy" Yi
[Gwen Farris] Heather Westmorland
[Discipline] Glenda
[Dead End] Gwen Farris (encountere in Gwen Farris reality sharing the body of Katherine Vernor)
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[Young Ancients] Timon "Tim" Baker
[Infected] Cinnamon "Cin" "Cindy" Mableton
[Dead End] Colleen Becks (possibly later Robson?)
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[Young Ancients] Tiera Baker
[Demonverse] Eve "The Snowflake" Benson
[Alternate] Evelyn Hernandez (not active character, just mentioned as an actress)
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[Young Ancients] Alice Orange
[Infected] Scott "Prime" Chambers
[Hobbs' World] Zevros Wyrdcraft (encountered in Infected)
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[Young Ancients] Gerent Lairdgreen
[*1] Darren "Box" Smalls (encountered in YA)
[Demonverse] Troy Lopez (Vampire)
[Alternate] Troy Lopez
[Infected] Tobin Peterson
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[Young Ancients] Dareg "Dare" Canton
[Demonverse] Ben (no lastname ever given, first LARPer, then clerk at bookstore, refered to as being a vampire by Zack in in Persist, was not a vampire as of the last Demonverse book)
[Alternate] Donald "Don" Karver
[Infected] Doug "Gravity" Tibs
[*4/Infected] Mickey "Sure Shot" Robson (born in Infected reality to parents from *4, never refered to as "Robson" before, but Jake seems to say that is the case in Ripped Open [Infected 11 - Cin 2])
[Gwen Farris] King Ferdinand
[Discipline] Ben Epson
[Dead End] Mickey "Jake" "Very Good Man" Robson (encountered later in Infected)
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[Young Ancients] Patricia "Trice" Baker (born Morgan)
[Demonverse] Kaitlyn "Kait" Fargo/Swanson (never refered to as Kate in Demonverse, goes by "Lyn" when in Alternate)
[Alternate] Kaitlyn "Kate" Swanson (never refered to as Kait in AP 1-3, once or twice wrongly refered to as Kait in AP4 [both Kait and Kate are in that book, Alternate Kaitlyn is generally still refered to as Kate except for a mistake or two])
[Infected] Marcia "Cast Iron" Turner
[Gwen Farris] Katherine Vernor
[Discipline] Maggie "Mags" Richards
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[Young Ancients] Tamerlane "Terlee" Thomson (born Baker)
[*2] Debbie Smalls (encountered in YA, possibly from *1, that's not completely clear, but I don't think so)
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[Young Ancients] Merriland of the Forten
[*3] Merilee "Merry" Merchant (encountered in YA)
[Hobbs' World] Mary Wyrdcraft (encountered in Infected)
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[Young Ancients] Doris
[Demonverse] Lisa Weis
[Alternate] Lisa Penbroke
[Discipline] Casandra "Lissa" Banks
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[Demonverse] Hildegard "Hilda" (no last name given)
[Alternate] Hildgeurde "Hilda" Meorgeansdotter (a single time refered to as Hildegard)
[Infected] "Olga" (actual name never given, Olga being her Spetnaz Ultima codename)
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[Young Ancients] Sara Debri
[Infected] Penny "Cellophane" Cooper
[Gwen Farris] Bethany "Beth" Westmorland
[Discipline] Felicia (not her real name)
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[Infected] Clark Clarkson
[Discipline] Clark
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[Demonverse] Calley Hale
[Alternate] Libby Patterson
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[Demonverse] Ginger Harris
[Alternate] Christopher "Chris" Karver
[Infected] Sara (the orc girl)
[Gwen Farris] Peter Westmorland
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[Demonverse] Lenore Hawthorn(e) (spelling of last name not consistent)
[Alternate] Claire Hawthorn(e) (spelling of last name not consistent)
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[Demonverse] Wu-Li
[Alternate] Wu-Li
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[Demonverse] Nicole "Nikki" (last name never given, but probably Hawthorn like her sister)
[Alternate] Nicole "Nikki" Bartlet
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[Demonverse] Ridley/Riley the Trickster (first introduced as Ridley, later a few times, wrongly I think, refered to as Riley)
[Alternate] Riley the Trickster
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[Demonverse] Cormack
[Alternate] Keane
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[Demonverse] David/Dave
[Alternate] David (later Denise)
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[Demonverse] Valerie "Val" Frago/Swanson
[Alternate] Valerie "Val" Renner
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?[Young Ancients] Kolb
[Demonverse] Tyler "The Clerk" Gartner
[Alternate] (William?) Cavendish
???[Infected] Carl ("the insane level fifteen trainer")
??[Hobbs' World] Hobbs
?[Discipline] Ali
?[Lament] Guardian Clark
?[Gwen Farris] Darren Westmorland (switched places with Billy Cavendish? Only mentioned by Billy in Monsters [GF 2], never mentioned in DE, so probably died early when Zombies came)
![Dead End] Billy Cavendish (encountered in Gwen Ferris, took the place of Darren Westmorland)
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[Demonverse] unspecified woman in Eve's vampire class
[Alternate] Clarissa (Chris' friend)
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[Demonverse] unspecified woman in Eve's vampire class
[Alternate] Beth (Chris' friend)
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[Demonverse] Darren (Larping gamer geek working at Burgerville, mentioned by Eve in AP4, not actually mentioned in any previous book)
[Alternate] Jamal (Chris' friend)
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[Demonverse] Jennifer "Jelly" Stone
[Alternate] Jennifer "Jelly" Stone
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[Demonverse] Meredith "Merry" (no last name ever given, an Elth)
[Alternate] Mariposa "Merry" of the Dawn (Elth)
[Infected?] Bridget "Impulse" Chambers
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[Demonverse] Vivian "Viv" (no last name ever given)
[Alternate] Vivian "Viv" Hobson
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[Demonverse] Rebekah (misspelled as Rebecca in AP4)
[Alternate] Rebeca Smith
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[Young Ancients] Kyle Hardgrove
[Discipline] Kyle Hardgrove
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[Infected] Parents of Doug "Gravity" Tibs
[*4] Parents of Mickey "Sure Shot" (moved from their reality to Infected before having Mickey)
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[Alternate] Agnes Miller
[Infected] Agnes Miller (replaced by a copy)
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[Gwen Farris] Erin Debussy
[Dead End] Christine Cavendish (Billy Cavendish aka Darren Westmorland's mother)
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[Gwen Farris] Yoko Winslow
[Dead End] Yoko Ono

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The revelation that Peter Westmorland is a version of Chris and Ginger got me thinking about what effect his pleasure addiction might have if he was subjected to Alternate-style Line-walker training.

Given that the addiction is a mental one, the way I see it, there are two possible outcomes here. Either he will fail pretty much instantly when put into the void, as the withdrawal drives him crazy, or a few centuries in the void will allow him to kick the habit. What effect that would have on any skills that he trained using the pleasure reward method remains to be seen.

This also raises the question what effect a long stay in the void would have on Gwen/Kathrine. I'm pretty sure Gwen wouldn't have any issues. Kathrine on the other hand would be much more problematic.

There also is an interesting possibility here. Given the skill that Alternate Zack has shown for manipulating patterns in the void (AP4 - turning Denise [femalized Vampire David] into a true bat shifter) it might be possible that he would be able to fully separate Gwen's and Kathrine's patterns in the void...

[rockhazard]

Or they could go to Lesser Shia and acquire some of that nifty anti-addiction tech. There might be something there for mental addictions too. Also, I bet Tomas could handle the void as well, and he obviously has unexplored magical potential, which means he could conceivably train himself up to be both a linewalker and a master magician in very little time and without Westmoreland Protocols.

As long as Dale never mentions "lime balls" again, I'm good either way. Far too close to "slime balls", and my imagination was really too active for my own good when I read that...

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[Demonverse 17 - Avery Rome 1] Scales has be released at https://www.amazon.com/Scales-Avery-Rom ... 01JDT3UNM/

Everyone please consider this post fair warning that all following posts may contain spoilers from this book and all previously released ones.

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Here is an updated list of which characters in the different realities are the "same" person. As the latest book [D17-AR1] was pretty light on cross-reality interactions, there aren't many changes. I'm marked additions since I last posted the list with red.

Here is an updated list of which characters in the different realities are the "same" person.

The list has been produced using information from:
Impulse: A Whole New Day [Infected 8 - Bridget 1]
War Day [Infected 9 - Brian 3]
Shield of Innocence [Alternate Places 4 - Zack 3]
Persist [Discipline 3]
Kindred [Young Ancients 19 - Dareg 3]
Ripped Open [Infected 11 - Cin 2]
The Mask of Omegon [Gwen Farris 6]
Scales [Demonverse 17 - Avery Rome 1]

I've primarily included information about people that are explicitly mentioned in the books as being the "same" person.

There are some cases where a match has not been explicitly confirmed in the published books, which his kinda-sorta been confirmed by Dale on the forum. In that case the particular entry is prefixed with an exclaimation mark ( ! ).

I've also added a few entries that are just guesses, they are prefixed with one or more question marks ( ? ). The more question marks, the more shakey the guess.

A few people are know to originate in realities other than the main realities of the different book series. In that case I've marked them with a star and a number, same number means the same unnamed reality.

The reality that the Infected reality interacts with, from which Hobbs, Mary, Braid, and so on originate, was often referred to as "Hobbs' World" in the Infected books, so I'll use that label instead of a numbered star.

Here, in no particular order, is the list:

[Young Ancients] Torrence "Tor" Baker
[Demonverse] Zack "The Line Walker" Hartley
[Alternate] Zack Hartley
[Infected] Brian "Proxy" Yi
[Gwen Farris] Heather Westmorland
[Discipline] Glenda
[Dead End] Gwen Farris (encountere in Gwen Farris reality sharing the body of Katherine Vernor)
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[Young Ancients] Timon "Tim" Baker
[Infected] Cinnamon "Cin" "Cindy" Mableton
[Dead End] Colleen Becks (possibly later Robson?)
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[Young Ancients] Tiera Baker
[Demonverse] Eve "The Snowflake" Benson
[Alternate] Evelyn Hernandez (not active character, just mentioned as an actress)
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[Young Ancients] Alice Orange
[Infected] Scott "Prime" Chambers
[Hobbs' World] Zevros Wyrdcraft (encountered in Infected)
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[Young Ancients] Gerent Lairdgreen
[*1] Darren "Box" Smalls (encountered in YA)
[Demonverse] Troy Lopez (Vampire)
[Alternate] Troy Lopez
[Infected] Tobin Peterson
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[Young Ancients] Dareg "Dare" Canton
[Demonverse] Ben (no lastname ever given, first LARPer, then clerk at bookstore, refered to as being a vampire by Zack in in Persist, was not a vampire as of the last Demonverse book)
[Alternate] Donald "Don" Karver
[Infected] Doug "Gravity" Tibs
[*4/Infected] Mickey "Sure Shot" Robson (born in Infected reality to parents from *4, never refered to as "Robson" before, but Jake seems to say that is the case in Ripped Open [Infected 11 - Cin 2])
[Gwen Farris] King Ferdinand
[Discipline] Ben Epson
[Dead End] Mickey "Jake" "Very Good Man" Robson (encountered later in Infected)
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[Young Ancients] Patricia "Trice" Baker (born Morgan)
[Demonverse] Kaitlyn "Kait" Fargo/Swanson (never refered to as Kate in Demonverse, goes by "Lyn" when in Alternate)
[Alternate] Kaitlyn "Kate" Swanson (never refered to as Kait in AP 1-3, once or twice wrongly refered to as Kait in AP4 [both Kait and Kate are in that book, Alternate Kaitlyn is generally still refered to as Kate except for a mistake or two])
[Infected] Marcia "Cast Iron" Turner
[Gwen Farris] Katherine Vernor
[Discipline] Maggie "Mags" Richards
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[Young Ancients] Tamerlane "Terlee" Thomson (born Baker)
[*2] Debbie Smalls (encountered in YA, possibly from *1, that's not completely clear, but I don't think so)
[Demonverse] Rutha Samson
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[Young Ancients] Sorlee Farmer
[Demonverse] Avery Rome (Dragon"-Shifter")
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[Young Ancients] Clemance Thomson
[Demonverse] Gregory "Greg" Samson
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[Young Ancients] Alphonse "Rolph" Cordes
[Demonverse] Chi Hale (Bat-Shifter, works at the New Mexico Shifter Embassy)
[Alternate] Chi (Bat-Shifter, works at Underwood Mall, Bat Street, no last name explicitly given)
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[Young Ancients] Merriland of the Forten
[*3] Merilee "Merry" Merchant (encountered in YA)
[Hobbs' World] Mary Wyrdcraft (encountered in Infected)
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[Young Ancients] Doris
[Demonverse] Lisa Weis
[Alternate] Lisa Penbroke
[Discipline] Casandra "Lissa" Banks
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[Demonverse] Hildegard "Hilda" (no last name given)
[Alternate] Hildgeurde "Hilda" Meorgeansdotter (a single time refered to as Hildegard)
[Infected] "Olga" (actual name never given, Olga being her Spetnaz Ultima codename)
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[Young Ancients] Sara Debri
[Infected] Penny "Cellophane" Cooper
[Gwen Farris] Bethany "Beth" Westmorland
[Discipline] Felicia (not her real name)
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[Infected] Clark Clarkson
[Discipline] Clark
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[Demonverse] Calley Hale
[Alternate] Libby Patterson
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[Demonverse] Ginger Harris
[Alternate] Christopher "Chris" Karver
[Infected] Sara (the orc girl)
[Gwen Farris] Peter Westmorland
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[Demonverse] Lenore Hawthorn(e) (spelling of last name not consistent)
[Alternate] Claire Hawthorn(e) (spelling of last name not consistent)
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[Demonverse] Wu-Li
[Alternate] Wu-Li
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[Demonverse] Nicole "Nikki" (last name never given, but probably Hawthorn like her sister)
[Alternate] Nicole "Nikki" Bartlet
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[Demonverse] Ridley/Riley the Trickster (first introduced as Ridley, later a few times, wrongly I think, refered to as Riley)
[Alternate] Riley the Trickster
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[Demonverse] Cormack
[Alternate] Keane
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[Demonverse] David/Dave
[Alternate] David (later Denise)
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[Demonverse] Valerie "Val" Frago/Swanson
[Alternate] Valerie "Val" Renner
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?[Young Ancients] Kolb
[Demonverse] Tyler "The Clerk" Gartner
[Alternate] (William?) Cavendish
???[Infected] Carl ("the insane level fifteen trainer")
??[Hobbs' World] Hobbs
?[Discipline] Ali
?[Lament] Guardian Clark
?[Gwen Farris] Darren Westmorland (switched places with Billy Cavendish? Only mentioned by Billy in Monsters [GF 2], never mentioned in DE, so probably died early when Zombies came)
![Dead End] Billy Cavendish (encountered in Gwen Ferris, took the place of Darren Westmorland)
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[Demonverse] unspecified woman in Eve's vampire class
[Alternate] Clarissa (Chris' friend)
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[Demonverse] unspecified woman in Eve's vampire class
[Alternate] Beth (Chris' friend)
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[Demonverse] Darren (Larping gamer geek working at Burgerville, mentioned by Eve in AP4, not actually mentioned in any previous book)
[Alternate] Jamal (Chris' friend)
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[Demonverse] Jennifer "Jelly" Stone
[Alternate] Jennifer "Jelly" Stone
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[Demonverse] Meredith "Merry" (no last name ever given, an Elth)
[Alternate] Mariposa "Merry" of the Dawn (Elth)
[Infected?] Bridget "Impulse" Chambers
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[Demonverse] Vivian "Viv" (no last name ever given)
[Alternate] Vivian "Viv" Hobson
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[Demonverse] Rebekah (misspelled as Rebecca in AP4)
[Alternate] Rebeca Smith
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[Young Ancients] Kyle Hardgrove
[Discipline] Kyle Hardgrove
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[Infected] Parents of Doug "Gravity" Tibs
[*4] Parents of Mickey "Sure Shot" (moved from their reality to Infected before having Mickey)
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[Alternate] Agnes Miller
[Infected] Agnes Miller (replaced by a copy)
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[Gwen Farris] Erin Debussy
[Dead End] Christine Cavendish (Billy Cavendish aka Darren Westmorland's mother)
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[Gwen Farris] Yoko Winslow
[Dead End] Yoko Ono

[PS Power]

Yoko is in Dead End? I missed that!

Not that it would surprise me. Gah, that's a lot of books.

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Gwen, who originated in the Dead End reality, recognized Yoko Winslow as being Yoko Ono based on media she was exposed to in her home reality. As such, while never appearing as a character in Dead End, Yoko Ono must (have) exist(ed) in that reality.

[David]

Wow! Nice catch! Even the author missed that one

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If I read it correctly, Dragon"-Shifters" in the Demonverse reality aren't actually Shifters. Instead, they are "real" Dragons. The first of which was a Dragon Queen that arrived from another reality (and it seems that traveling between realities is an innate skill of Dragon Queens).

That means somewhere out there is the origin reality of the Dragons from the Demonverse.

The child of a Dragon seems to always be a Dragon. Instead of the way it is with "real" Shifters, where the secondary form gets imprinted based on the people the child grows up with (or the environment). I guess that *might* open the possibility for actual Dragon-Shifters to exist, if a Shifter child grows up with only Dragons as foster parents.

There are also Dragons in the Alternate reality (e.g Ang was first mentioned in AP 1, 2, 3 before then also being mentioned in the Eve and Tyler books). It's not clear if the origin of the Dragons in the Alternate reality is the same ("real" Dragons pretending to be Shifters, descending from a Dragon Queen that arrived from a different reality) as in the Demonverse, or if they are actual Dragon-Shifters.

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Oh, and with all the people that can travel to YA Mars and/or Moon by now, someone really needs to grab a few hands full of clothing amulets for the Dragons and Shifters. That would very nicely solve the problems with clothes when shifting.

Maybe a special version where the amulet isn't on some actual string or necklace, but instead the necklace is also just a virtual matter projection, so that it can change as the wearer shifts, instead of strangling the person of the neck gets a lot thicker in the other form.